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Old 04-11-2011, 01:59 PM
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Thumbs up Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

I think I just solved a lot of problems that people in this forum are having. Stalling, missing, throwing codes, loss of power and Oil leaks.



I took my 2004 Ranger 3.0 down to Express Lube and had an oil change. Since then I noticed that my truck started running poorly. I was using more gas than normal. Idle speed went wild. Oil leaks, throwing codes and missing. Wow I thought the dam thing was falling apart.



I did a tune-up, installed a new Idle Control Valve, Cleaned the MAF, Plugs and Plug wires. then I started looking for the oil leak. I powered cleaned the sides of the engine to get rid of the oil so I could find where it was coming from. I took it out for a drive and came back only to find oil everyplace on both sides of the engine. It looked like it was coming form the Oil Filter. They cleaned things up a bit checked the filter and said all is well, you just have a leak at the oil sender. Went and got a sender and replaced that. Cleaned it up again with the power cleaner and ran it again. Got home and Oil was everyplace. Took it back to Express Lube. They gave me attitude but to make the crazy guy happy they put on a new filter and topped it off. Drove home, about a mile and the thing was soaked in oil again. DAM !

Today I power cleaned it again, went to O'Reilly"s and got a new WIX filter. I replaced the second Express lube filter. The first thing I noticed is that the WIX filter is a full size filter not the half quart filter that the Oil change companies have started using. Many companies are now making smaller filters claiming they have the same amount of filtering as the bigger ones. THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS--- THE SMALL HALF QUART FILTERS CAN NOT HANDLE THE OIL PRESSURE ! My engine was pumping so hard that it was blowing oil out under filter gasket I no longer am throwing codes. I no longer have an out of control Idle. I no longer have the dripping oil mess and best of all I have my old power and performance back.

Those small filters hold back the engine because they can't handle the needed volume of oil. It holds back the oil flow. The oil pump is working so hard that it hold back the engine. Lesson Learned.

Dump those little filters and get a full size one. IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OIL CHANGED then take your own filter with you and don't use the little ones that the oil change companies sell. I highly recommend using WIX filters.They are the best. They cost around six bucks but you get what you pay for.
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

Yet Ford thinks it is great idea to make the oil pressure gauge not actually indicate oil pressure. A real oil pressure gauge would have indicated trouble before you even left the shop.
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Old 04-12-2011, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

ok well how about using the napa auto or partsource filters? I haven't had a problem with those filters at all.I use the FRAM oil filters.
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Old 04-12-2011, 01:32 PM
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Default Re: Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

They're all normal full size filters. Also, friends don't let friends buy fram. There is a reason they're so cheap.
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:18 PM
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Wix is probably the best quality main stream filter you can buy.. good choice
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:21 PM
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NICE glad the problems are fixed!
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:35 PM
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Wix is probably the best quality main stream filter you can buy.. good choice
I agree. And also FYI, NAPA Gold filters are the high quality WIX filters with a different label on them.
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:48 PM
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oh ok cool thanks alot guys I will be getting my filters at napa auto pro now. The last time I changed the oil and put the fram filter on there was a slight knocking sound..? I KNOW it wasn't there before the oil change. Also fram and the napa oil filter are the same price for me. about 6 bucks a pop.
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

Today I got a new throtle position sensor and that took care of the high idle issue. With the new WIX filter there are no more oil leaks.

You need to be aware of the key issue here when it comes to filters. The oil change companies and some auto parts stores are selling a filter that is quite a bit shorter than the origionals. The leignth of the filter is the obvious thing. It can't handle the volume of oil that the pump puts out. In other words the pump pumps more oil than the filter can filter causing the pump to back up. It caused the oil to gush out the filter gasket and somewhere out the back of the engine. The short filter can't keep up with the pump. I also noted a loss of power in my truck. I've driven it for 123000 miles so I know how it feels. The strain on the pump was actually holding the engine back.

It's not the make of the filter but the size that you have to worry bout. The WIX filter is over 3 inches longer than the short filters that some places are selling. The oil change places save a little oil and some money and the manafacture of the filter uses less material and saves money. In the end the connsumer looses....but what's new.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:24 AM
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I agree. And also FYI, NAPA Gold filters are the high quality WIX filters with a different label on them.
Sure are! I used to sling parts there in HS.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

Hah! Yep, me too. We made a display for the counter. Got a Fram filter from Advance Auto Parts and one of our Wix filters. Sawed them both in half and just put them side by side. No description or sales pitch needed, it spoke for itself.
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Old 04-13-2011, 11:01 AM
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Default Re: Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

When I bought my Ranger, there was some crappy, cheap chain parts store brand oil filter on it. I almost cried thinking my new truck had crap for filtration. So the very first thing I did on the truck was an oil/filter change with Motorcraft stuff.

Glad you got all your problem fixed man!
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Old 04-22-2011, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Lots Of Problems Solved. Rough Idle,no power, Codes OIl leaks

motz:I've been through this dam truck with a fine tooth come by now. Did all the sensors, cleaned the throttle body. replaced plugs, wires and all the normal things we do.

I did find the problem yesterday that has caused all my problems. Several times I thought it was fix but shortly after it all came back again after the engine got warmed up. Here is what it was.

I found a leak in the lower intake manifold. You can't see it because it's down in the back of the engine. I couldn't even see it using a extension mirror and a flashlight at night. It was simply the last thing that it could have been, a process of elimination

It starts out with the high idle. It picked up the idle by a couple hundred RPM's in the beginning then got worse till it was running at about 1200. Didn't run bad at highway speed but the idle was real rough and fast. It acts like a major vacume leak but I couldn't find a leaking line. When I parked it there was an oil leak at the back of the engine. When I first saw it I was sure that it had blown the rear main seal. The oil leaks down the back of the engine and shows up on both rear conors and blows forward when you drive.

Bottom line is you have to change out the gaskets. You might as well buy a full upper set of gaskets. You have to remove the right (or drivers side) valve cover when removing the intake manifold. No use trying to put things back together with used gaskets so replace both valve cover gaskets when you do this job. You should also get a set of valver cover bolt gromets and replace them too, that way the whole top end will be set with new non leaking gaskets. If you try to do it half assed you'll still be leaking oil.

I found a Service bulletin from ford. It show the engine block and says that when the intake manifold gaskets are replaced you should also use Gasket sealer at the rear of the engine. They show the location. They've obviously found this to be a problem area with the 3.0 and probably some others. I'll attach the bulletin to this mailing. Make sure you have a torque wrench and a good set of tools, you'll need a lot of them

If you are going to do this job yourself, know that it is an all day job and have all your gaskets in hand before you start.

If you are going to have it for you at a shop, here is what you can expect to pay.

Intake Manifold Gasket Set MS95372-1 ~ $52.20
Valve Cover Gasket Set VS5037R ~ $37.98
Valve Cover Grommet Set ES72180 ~ $49.34
The ford shop guide shows 4.20 hours labor for the intake manifold gasket Replace and Repair (more/less) $350
2.50 hours labor for the Valve cover Gasket Replace and Repair ( More or less $250. ( They should give you a break here by at least one hour because they had to remove the right side to do the job.)

Bottom line with taxes and shop supplies they will charge you for the total bill will be very close to $700.

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