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Old 04-14-2019, 02:22 PM
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Default Intermittent knocking

Iím having a small knocking problem, not sure if I should be alarmed or freaking out.

I know there is different types of knocking but this one has me in between. When the truck knocks, it runs bad. When it stops, it runs normal. Lately when I go to start up for the first time in the day itíll knock erratically and then stop. Iím not sure if itís an internal issue or if itís somewhere in the category with a spark knock? Could it be fuel related? Injectors? Pump? Let me know! I appreciate any input. Thanks everyone
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Old 04-14-2019, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: Intermittent knocking

Hard to give an answer without hearing it. What year is it? How many miles? Is there a CEL? Any stored or pending DTC's? Have you tried to run a higher octane fuel? Generally a pre-ignition knock happens worse under load when the engine is hot so its odd to happen only at startup. Are you sure its not a misfire or mixture issue just causing it to run rough and not actually a true knock situation?
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:10 PM
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Itís a 2002, 3.0 v6 and the body has about 305k miles. The motor only has about ~170k Miles on it. It does not have any codes, Iíve got a tuner on mine and that was the first thing I checked, no codes. It doesnít only happen at start up, the first start of the day itíll chatter then quit, after the motor is hot, it becomes pretty persistent. Itíll knock at high rpms like shifting out of first and second gear. I havenít tried running a higher octane but I will try on my next fill up. I couldnít give you a for sure answer on the mixture part, fumes from the tail pipe doesnít really tell me anything, smells like any other. Itís a pretty distinguishable knock, pretty much like knocking on a 2x6 lol.
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:32 PM
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If it were me, id pull the plugs and use a borescope to examine the pistons for heavy carbon buildup. If you're the original owner of the truck have you been deligent with oil changes and pcv valve replacements? 170,000 miles is no spring chicken but if the engine was well maintained it shouldn't have enough buildup to cause knocking which is the main cause of knock in older engines. Next thing id do is look at where the ignition timing is at, you said you have a tuner, does you're tune involve advancing the timing beyond the stock parameters? The more the timing advances the higher the chance of knocking.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:23 PM
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Iíll have to give it a look and see about that. I usually run some cleaners when I change oil, can of restore and occasionally a flush. I baby this truck to death. Just a pavement princess. But Iíve got the SCT X4, the only tuner that I could find that was compatible with a Ranger. But if I remember correctly when going through all of the ďstock tunesĒ there was a spark degree option which Iím sure is to either advance or retard spark. But in that option I only saw negative values? Not sure if thatís normal, I didnít flash anything to the truck I didnít know what would happen to it, just took off the governor and increased the idle rpms and thatís it.
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:18 PM
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Actually just pulled two codes, P0413-secondary air injection system switching valve A circuit open, P3600 which doesnít give me a definition.
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:14 AM
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Hmmmm thats.... Really weird. P0413 doesn't apply to your truck and P3600 doesn't exist.
Im getting very suspicious of this tuner.
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Old 04-17-2019, 10:51 AM
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I was thinking the same thing lol. Every now and then Iíll get a P000 which says ďSAE reservesĒ. Super confusing. Iíve tried filling up with a higher octane but to no avail. Iíve also noticed that it seems like the knock gets worse as the motor warms up, itís weird though, you can hear the knock pretty clearly but the truck runs smooth as a Cadillac. No shaking or anything, itís starting to sound like something along the line of a piston knock to me but I could be wrong. Iím gonna run a can of sea foam through it to see if thatíll help but thereís no such thing as ďa miracle in a canĒ. Are there any tests I can do to verify what the problem may be? Just donít want to be taking shots in the dark here lol.
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Old 04-17-2019, 11:49 AM
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Well you could do a dry compression test. Usually you're looking for low numbers but in this case high numbers would indicate the piston and or combustion chambers are full of carbon. (Higher compression means more knock).

An oil pressure test wouldn't hurt to rule out mechanical damage and the noise coming from a lack of oil.

I'd also strongly suggest putting a scanner on it (not the one you have) and checking for codes, look at spark advance, fuel trims, and misfire monitors.

The other thing would be to use a mechanics stethoscope (or a screwdriver) to try and pinpoint the noise more specifically. Is it only around one cylinder? More from the top or louder through the oil pan? Ive seen instances where things can mimic the sound of a knock but be things like a broken flywheel bolt.

Hard to pin this issue down over the internet.
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:30 PM
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Iím gonna get this thing figured out this weekend and do whatever I got to do to get it fixed, itís driving me nuckin futs. I just went out and bought one of those stethoscopes you mentioned and hopefully I can pinpoint the problem. A while back I pretty much rebuilt the motor, all new gaskets, lapped the valves, changed piston rings and cleaned everything from the inside out accordingly. I donít know if it is something I done on my part or just something that wore out prematurely but I guess weíll have to see. Once I get to the bottom of it and resolve the problem Iíll come back with a follow up post. I appreciate the help again Dirtman, I was stumped as to what it could be. If I come up with anymore questions Iíll ask ✊🏼
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