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Old 07-11-2010, 11:37 AM
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I am mainly concerned about improved fuel economy. I found this website that has some products on it. http://www.performancechiptuning.com/ Does anyone here know if they are actually worth buying. I was also wondering if anyone here ever tried any of them before assuming they are worth buying.
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Old 07-11-2010, 06:42 PM
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Chiping your truck voids your warenty but if you can get a chip that can un-install and install it's self then that would be cool.. also airfilters help a little too! I never bought anything from the site but you can check out Edge Products.
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Old 07-11-2010, 07:24 PM
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also airfilters help a little too!
No they don't. Take advice from a professional tuner.

Chipping refers to changes in the timing and fuel maps. Advancing the timing to get more out of each power stroke is a good idea only when you can do so without predetonation which will totally ruin your pistons and rings. New rings and pistons will cost more than what you've saved on fuel..

All modern cars are tuned so that under low load they run 14.7 AFR, which is the perfect chemical mixture. If you go leaner things start to run hot and you have to pull timing to avoid knock. It kind of defeats the purpose of running leaner because you have less mechanical torque.

I stopped messing with my ECU ROMS for "tuning for economy" for this reason. OEM tunes are really for the most part right-on when it comes to economy. It is the loaded and open loop portions of the tune which can use some help.
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Old 07-12-2010, 08:10 PM
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[QUOTE=Jp7;152735]No they don't. Take advice from a professional tuner.

No they don't. Thats why nobody on this forum uses any aftermarket filters. So don't get a K&N cone and plastic adapter, don't install it and always listen to what some guy on the internet writes.
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:36 PM
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Are you kidding me?

Ford designed and installed an excellent cold air intake on Rangers.

What are the qualifications of some kid that comes along and tells you to swap it out for some chrome tube with a cone filter that is passing more dirt in one year than a good paper filter will pass in a trucks lifetime?

Not to mention that it is now sucking hot air from the engine compartment, all so that it can "sound" better.

Do what you want with your truck, but if you want the best reliability, mileage, and performance from a stock and near stock vehicle, then buy a good NAPA Gold airfilter and forget the "bling".

Anyone that tells you that a K&N and chrome tube is better is simply lying to you.

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Old 07-13-2010, 07:49 PM
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yeah the intake on a ranger is already a cold air intake and dang near a ram-air if you take off the noise suppresor on the outside of the core support
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:11 PM
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What am I in Bizzaro World? I've been putting K&N filters on things since the seventies. Anyone here remember the seventies? Narrowed it down a little there. They have been used on dirtbikes how long? Your truck sees more dirt than that? I actually pay my mortgage out of the back of my truck all day long no matter what the weather, anyone here use theirs for anything beyond commuting with an empty bed? I see what tires last, what oil stands out, and what little changes do in the long run real quick like. I don't pretend it is some cool collectible, or monster truck, or hottrod, it's a work truck, I work it, I go with what works. My calculator doesn't lie either, 1.5 mpg plus with a coney K&N filter. No chrome tube thanks(where did that come from?) At age forty I know I'm not the "kid" in question.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:28 PM
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Sorry Bro, but I simply don't believe that a K&N will increase the mileage on your truck, and I've never seen any evidence to support the notion that it will.

The intake on these vehicles is not a restriction, and even if the filter is dirty, the computer will still monitor the fuel based on available flow.

As for work trucks, I have a well modified '89 BII w/over 300k miles. I do stone work for a living, and my truck hauls a trailer w/stone or equipment most days of the week, then the boat on weekends, and since I do remember the 70's I also remember that a lot of b.s. has been sold to folks since then.

There are plenty of real data showing the performance of air filters, and on a normally aspirated, street truck, there is no advantage to using a gauze filter that also has been shown to allow more contaminants into the airstream.

Do what you want with your own truck, but you can't dispute the facts.
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Old 07-14-2010, 02:41 AM
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My calculator doesn't lie either, 1.5 mpg plus with a coney K&N filter.
If you get better mileage with a K&N its because your old filter was so full of crap it was hurting your mileage. K&N filters would come stock on all ford vehicles if they did ANYTHING for your mpg. The whole K&N thing is no secret - If you don't understand then you have no clue how CAFE works in the USDM. Not trying to be offensive but your post looks really silly from the eyes of someone who tunes vehicles professionally for a living.

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Old 07-14-2010, 10:00 AM
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If you get better mileage with a K&N its because your old filter was so full of crap it was hurting your mileage. K&N filters would come stock on all ford vehicles if they did ANYTHING for your mpg. The whole K&N thing is no secret - If you don't understand then you have no clue how CAFE works in the USDM. Not trying to be offensive but your post looks really silly from the eyes of someone who tunes vehicles professionally for a living.
SO MR. ALL MIGHTY, can you suggest a better and professional idea please(Not trying to be offensive ),no i mean it, can you?? because i like more the idea of a superchip or something like that
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Old 07-14-2010, 12:23 PM
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GG I didn't mean to start a war here. I only wanted to really know if anyone has used the chips in the link. I asked in a previous post about cold air intakes. As far as K and N is concerned I see more people telling me they are worthless. Well that buying a new cold air intake won't do anything.
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Old 07-14-2010, 12:38 PM
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GG I didn't mean to start a war here. I only wanted to really know if anyone has used the chips in the link. I asked in a previous post about cold air intakes. As far as K and N is concerned I see more people telling me they are worthless. Well that buying a new cold air intake won't do anything.
Mention the word INTAKE on here and it won't take long for teams to form and the battle to begin HaHa.
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Old 07-14-2010, 12:43 PM
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SO MR. ALL MIGHTY, can you suggest a better and professional idea please(Not trying to be offensive ),no i mean it, can you?? because i like more the idea of a superchip or something like that
More performance: Built engine, Boost, Tune.

Bettery economy: Keep the engine running optimally. Biggest difference would be swapping a motor of smaller displacement with a reasonable turbo on it. This would of course cost more than the gain in fuel economy.

This is what OEMs are doing. Smaller motors, DOHCs with variable timing, direct injection, small (or reasonable) turbos.

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Old 07-14-2010, 12:54 PM
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Best thing I've found for good economy is a basic small $500-600 POS car with a 4 cylinder. Really those trucks get decent mileage for what they are, best things you can do is lose weight, make sure your tires are up to pressure, drive with your tailgate up, keep everything nice and maintained, etc.
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Old 07-14-2010, 03:58 PM
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Best thing I've found for good economy is a basic small $500-600 POS car with a 4 cylinder. Really those trucks get decent mileage for what they are, best things you can do is lose weight, make sure your tires are up to pressure, drive with your tailgate up, keep everything nice and maintained, etc.
I know I use to have a pontiac grand am LOL. Well it wasn't too bad of a car. I know rangers with the 4cyl are very good with fuel economy. I want to get a new one with the 4cyl. I have to wait though. So I figured if I get one with the 4cyl. I could buy a chip assuming they work. So I can still get even better fuel economy and increase power. Not that I will ever need to tow a trailer weighing 2000lbs, but regardless. I actually do drive with no weight, I keep it well maintained (synthetic oil baby), and tire pressure. Who drives with their tailgate down? Are they gay? My problem is the automatic trans and 4x4. That is what kills it completely. Combined with the small fuel tank. The operating range is also poor. Even though I have the 4.0L V6 at least I get something for that. More power for worse fuel economy.
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