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Old 04-09-2014, 02:41 PM
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Default Doing front brakes....need help

Ok....decided to completely redo my front brakes.
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rotors
calipers
bearings
hoses

Problems...
If I install the brake lines like they were on my Ranger originally...the steering will not work completely and binds.
NAPA hoses.
BTW...I had to get 4WD hoses for my 2WD Edge. Make sense?

Next problem is the banjos leak at the caliper.
I did caliper...washer...banjo/hose...washer...bolt. Copper washers.
I tightened pretty tight.
Suggestions?

Attaching some pics too. I know the calipers are on the wrong sides. Fixed that. Hoses are actually on opposite of the Ford's. Are they right now? Only way I have steering now but had steering with the Fords.


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Old 04-09-2014, 02:55 PM
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Hoses look ok. Make sure the bleeder is facing up at the top side of the caliper, or you'll never get all the air out.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:31 PM
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Hoses look ok. Make sure the bleeder is facing up at the top side of the caliper, or you'll never get all the air out.
So that's the correct way the hoses should be attached?
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It looks like you have the calipers one the wrong side. The bleeder screw should always be at or towards the top
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:26 PM
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It looks like you have the calipers one the wrong side. The bleeder screw should always be at or towards the top
Yeah. I know. Said that I corrected it in my last paragraph.

Also....
Why does the banjo keep leaking?
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Old 04-09-2014, 09:49 PM
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If the banjo keeps leaking, then the surfaces aren't machined correctly for the calipers, or they haven't been torqued correctly. You can usually only torque those copper washers once. If you tightened the calipers down once before you switched them to the correct side, you'll probably need to get more copper washers and replace them to stop the leaking.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:06 PM
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The copper washers can be annealed to allow reuse. The process softens the copper to allow them to seal. Bolting them down causes the copper to get hard. So to soften place a metal rod in a vise and slide the washer onto the rod. Heat with a propane torch until the washer is red then put it in a safe place to cool. I usually drop them in a container of water or set on the flat part of the vise.
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Old 04-10-2014, 04:05 AM
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If the banjo keeps leaking, then the surfaces aren't machined correctly for the calipers, or they haven't been torqued correctly. You can usually only torque those copper washers once. If you tightened the calipers down once before you switched them to the correct side, you'll probably need to get more copper washers and replace them to stop the leaking.
OK. Gonna get some new washers. Gonna go ahead and get 2 for each side.
I don't have access to a torque wrench so should I tightened the hell outta them?
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The copper washers can be annealed to allow reuse. The process softens the copper to allow them to seal. Bolting them down causes the copper to get hard. So to soften place a metal rod in a vise and slide the washer onto the rod. Heat with a propane torch until the washer is red then put it in a safe place to cool. I usually drop them in a container of water or set on the flat part of the vise.
Don't think he has a torch, and it's probably less trouble to just get new ones.

Torque specs are 26 foot pounds, so slightly tight, but not super agonizing straining tight. Basically, if your socket wrench is 1 foot long, then apply 26 pounds of tightening pressure at 90 degrees. Most socket wrenches are shorter than that, so just get your 3/8" socket wrench and tighten it pretty good.

Or, best scenario, go to Harbor Freight and buy one for $10.
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Old 04-10-2014, 05:55 AM
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Don't think he has a torch, and it's probably less trouble to just get new ones.

Torque specs are 26 foot pounds, so slightly tight, but not super agonizing straining tight. Basically, if your socket wrench is 1 foot long, then apply 26 pounds of tightening pressure at 90 degrees. Most socket wrenches are shorter than that, so just get your 3/8" socket wrench and tighten it pretty good.

Or, best scenario, go to Harbor Freight and buy one for $10.
Got new washers and a torque wrench...lol
Hoping for no leaks.
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Does anyone have a picture of their four wheel drive brake hoses and how they're installed?
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:46 AM
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So sorry. Meant 2wd.
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Problems...
If I install the brake lines like they were on my Ranger originally...the steering will not work completely and binds.
NAPA hoses.
BTW...I had to get 4WD hoses for my 2WD Edge. Make sense?
NO, up front this does NOT make sense (without more info/reason).

Was it confirmed via the parts book at NAPA that the 4WD front brake hoses are the same part as the 2WD brake hoses and that they are correct for the application? And when it came time to install the new hoses, did you carefully compare the old hose assemblies against the new for any differences that would affect fit/function? I swear, once in awhile parts suppliers screw up, the book shows the wrong part, whatever, and you need to always compare old against new for differences.

*I do know that on my old 94, there was a difference between 2WD and 4WD front brake hoses and they did not interchange; this and the fact that you even brought up the got 4WD hoses for your 2WD has me wondering if there is a difference between them that is causing the leak at the banjo. Again, this is where the inspect before installing can be important.
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Old 04-10-2014, 10:06 AM
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Hold on....

NO, up front this does NOT make sense (without more info/reason).

Was it confirmed via the parts book at NAPA that the 4WD front brake hoses are the same part as the 2WD brake hoses and that they are correct for the application? And when it came time to install the new hoses, did you carefully compare the old hose assemblies against the new for any differences that would affect fit/function? I swear, once in awhile parts suppliers screw up, the book shows the wrong part, whatever, and you need to always compare old against new for differences.

*I do know that on my old 94, there was a difference between 2WD and 4WD front brake hoses and they did not interchange; this and the fact that you even brought up the got 4WD hoses for your 2WD has me wondering if there is a difference between them that is causing the leak at the banjo. Again, this is where the inspect before installing can be important.
They match the ones that came off. Just different ever so slightly.
The 2wd hoses are even close in resemblance.... and mines a 2wd. What the efffff? Lol
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